2055. Hence it is clear from actual experience what life and glory there is in the Word of the Lord, only in its inward meaning. Some spirits in the world of spirits, realizing there was such glory in the inward meaning of the Word of the Lord, began to feel sorry that they had not wanted to believe that it contained any such meaning they could not believe in, saying that in their present state of mind, they did want to believe it. Beyond this, they could understand nothing of what he saw and heard, for he did see, and hear, and perceive. Some who did not want to believe, thought or said these were illusions. But then he emphatically asserted that he was seeing, hearing and perceiving, and asked what more can there be? Then they, themselves having been raised up into that heaven, finally confessed that this was anything but illusion, for they really perceived, and their perception now was immeasurably more exquisite than that of their body.