After I had been taken across that great chasm I arrived at length at a place where I came to a halt. At that point spirits on a level above appeared to me, to whom I was allowed to speak. From their mode of speech and from the way in which they were inclined to observe things and express them I realized clearly that they were from another planet; for they were altogether different from spirits belonging to our solar system. And they in turn recognized from my mode of speech that I was from far away.